REGULAR TOWN BOARD MEETING
June 11, 2007
7:30 P.M.
LAKEWOOD TOWN HALL
This meeting was posted in the three usual places those being the Lakewood Town Hall, Lakewood Super Valu and the Timberwood Bank. Also published in the paper.
PRESENT: Tom Gryboski, Chairman. Tom Haberstein and Lee Spletter Supervisors. Denise Jackett, Clerk Virginia Nelson, Treasurer.
VISITORS: Don Jackson, Ted Schuurmans, Betty Sellhausen, Diane E McNeill, Raoul Schottky, Robert Landwehr, Ginger Szykowny, Dave Szykowny, Jan Leibsch, Greg Weyers.
Chairman Gryboski called this meeting to order at 7:30 p.m..
Tom Gryboski asked for a motion to approve the agenda. Lee Spletter moved to accept the agenda, second by Tom Haberstein all ayes motion carried.
Motion by Tom H. to accept the minutes of the May 14, 2007 meeting, seconded by Lee S., all ayes motion carried.
Treasurer�s Report: Given by Virginia Nelson and summarized in these minutes.
Checking Account Beginning Balance: $111,990.73
Receipts: $ 10,146.38
Total in Checking $122,137.11
Less Expenses: $ 32,233.79
Balance in Checking $ 89,903.32
Cemetery Account: $500.00
Tax Account: $332,166.85
Omitted Tax Account: $ 81,032.52
Storm Water Account: $ 80,657.17
Motion to approve the Treasurer�s report by Tom H., seconded by Lee S., all ayes motion carried.
Plan Commission:
1. Scott Van Lannen and Greg Weyers term expired April 30, 2007 with the Commission. Motion was made Lee S. to reappoint Scott Van Lannen and Greg Weyers to sit on the Town Plan Commission, second by Tom H., all ayes motion passed.
2. Discussion of appointing alternates to sit on the Planning Commission has been moved to the July Agenda.
3. Storm Water Bids; ( 3 bids submitted)
U.P. Engineering $11,944.00 design fee, (not to exceed total)
$9316.00 estimated construction inspection
Robert E. Lee & Associates $8300.00 design not including print cost
$800.00 to $1200.00 printing costs
Foth $10700.00
Lee S. was the spokes person for the Plan Commission.. Of the three bids received, after review, the Plan Commission recommends the town to go with the proposal from Robert E. Lee & Associates.
Tom H. made a motion to accept the bid from Robert E. Lee and Associates, second by Lee S., all ayes motion carried. Contract was signed.
Lee S. commented on the minutes of the Plan Commission. He stated The Commission feels the town should check with the engineers to insure there are no large bumps that could create a safety issue, concerning the sidewalks on North Road and Glenn Brook Way. There was question as to whether or not engineers had been consulted to the way the sidewalk and the road met at Glenn Brook and North Road.
Tom G. stated it had been tapered to meet North Road. Where the curb ended they had a nice gentle taper to North Road, on the sidewalk. As far as the manholes, they are raised a little bit and they have built up around them little bit so the plow doesn�t hit them. North East Asphalt suggests to leave it for a year, because there will be a lot of construction going on, and then put the extra inch and one half layer on next year. They feel it would be a better job that way. He had talked to the Jack and that this would not be a problem that way. That is why it is done that way.
Lee S. stated another item to be, the Oconto County 20 year Comprehensive Plan and Open House that was scheduled for Riverview has been changed due to the tornado damage. It will no be held in Mountain on Thursday June 14th from 5:00p.m to 8:00p.m..
Trail Head:
Tom G. has not heard anything as of yet, he was told they would contact him as soon as they hear.
Town Hall Committee:
Tom G. commented on the Long Term Capitol Improvement Committee that was established about 1.5 years ago, that never got off the ground. He would like to see this get going again, sooner or later we will need a new Town Hall. During this month he will talk to people, if anyone has suggestions. Jan Liebsch was one of the people on the last time. He stated to scratch the last committee and make new appointments at the July meeting.
Denise presented information on the Town Hall Committee. Committee consisted of Lee Spletter. Tom Haberstein, Terry Rank and Denise Jackett. The discussion was of the updating of the rental agreement, rates and some of the gray areas involved with rentals that have created issues. The rental agreement has not been updated since the year 2002. The Committee recommends changing rates of the hall to $100.00 and pavilion to $100.00 for resident and $175.00 for the hall or pavilion for non-resident. Also changing resident/non-resident to property owner/ non-property owner. She went on to discuss the reasoning behind the recommendation: heat, electric, cleaning, the expenses of operation when rented is over exceeded by the rent collected. Example: Meetings were at $10.00 no food, $25.00 with food, this doesn�t cover the cleaning or electric. Committee recommends a minimum charge of $30.00 for the town hall for meetings and no charge for the pavilion unless electric is needed.
Denise went on to speak of the GRAY areas on the rentals, there had been issues prior to her taking over the rentals. Heather acknowledged the gray areas to be a messy thing, some people paid, some did not, some people got charged for this, some did not, for one reason or another. Denise stated that she didn�t want to get in any disgruntlement with anyone over this and would like everything in black and white. That is what will be protocol.
Tom G. said with it on the agenda and with there not being anything drastic that the board could except changes.
Tom H. asked for any comment from community. Jan Leibsch asked if the new rates would be published? Denise and Tom H. confirmed the Committee had talked about it and it would be published in the paper and posted outside the Town Hall so people know what it is. Tom H. went on to say the big thing to be the rentals didn�t even cover the clean up or anything so they needed to be bumped up a little bit.
Ted Schuurmans asked if we had a number of meetings with food?
Denise said that per Heather some had food some didn�t have food. Now the rate will be $30.00 whether there is food or not, the rental rate would be the same for a meeting. Meetings will be specified as a meeting, not to be a gathering of friends and family at a bridal or baby shower and pay like it was a meeting, which she was told happened in the past.
Ginger Szykowny asked if the meal site would be charged?
Denise said No.
Tom G. stated this to be a federal program that is subsidized.
Virginia said they do pay $140.00 per month rent from the Oconto County Commission on Ageing.
Tom H. made motion on the new fee schedule, second by Lee S., all ayes motion passed.
Crosswalks:
Tom G. brought forth suggestions on marked crosswalks, this has been talked about a couple of times. He was going to contact the D.O.T. about it. He thought about one on each end of the parking lot. Tom G. asked if anyone thought there should be more of them or if there should be a different place for them. Tom G. has seen them in other towns in the summer time and they seem to work well. It slows down the traffic and if people want to walk across the cars have to stop. Tom H. commented that it be a good idea, especially down at the Timberline Restaurant, that being a bad corner. Tom G. said it to be there and at County F and 32. Lee added, also there was a lot of traffic at the gift shops, further down by the clinic. Tom G. thought he would ask for two crosswalks, but he could ask for more if needed, also inquiring about how cluttered we want to make the town.
Lee stated to go with two crosswalks and Tom stated they go with two and see how it goes, more could be added.
Ted Schuurmanns added the town would have to pay for the markings. Ted added the town could do what was done with the snowmobile crossings, the town having to install them, getting permission from the D.O.T..
Assessor Maps & Sketches
Lee S. brought forth maps & sketching of parcels, that was to be done by the Assessor, Pete Liptack. When completed Pete was to put the information on the town computer. Pete submitted a bill for work and none of the parcels have been installed to the computer. Part of the reason Pete gave for this was that there was not enough space on the computer to do that. Denise checked with Granite Wave to have more put on and they informed her that there was more space than he would need. Part of the payment is for work to be installed on the town�s computer, and if it isn�t, the job is not completed. The work may be done but the project has not been completed as specified, therefore he should not get paid. Lee continues that this issue has to be resolved, get the job done. Denise stated the check had been issued to Pete last month per Tom G. Denise had received a e-mail from Pete in reference to how much of the funds were used, that had been dedicated for the project and the attachment that could not be opened. When she asked Pete about it he said it was in PDF format, She can open any other PDF format available to her but for some reason not this one. Denise is concerned that maybe it is a software program Pete is using that the town doesn�t have.
`Lee stated that the map & sketching could be purchased from Oconto County for One Hundred dollars, He�s not sure it to be the same. It was used in the reevaluation by R & R and the state. Lee S. stated he doesn�t know what the difference would be between what the county has and what Pete has.
Jan Leibsch inquired as to it being the Assessor�s job to do this, why he was being paid extra. Tom G. informed that $5000.00 was set aside last year for Pete to redo the work that was already done.
Lee S. stated that there was a claim made, that the mapping and sketching was not returned to Pete. That is where this originated from. Extra work.
Denise asked if Oconto County has the same maps and sketches, does she get it from them? She questioned having to pay for it from the County when we have already paid the Assessor for it.
Tom G. said that first she should call up Peter, talk to him to get this resolved. Lee S. asked if it was the town clerk�s responsibility or the town board�s responsibility? Tom G. said he would do it, that he had brought stuff back and forth already because since the last assessment there has been some hard feelings and some people are still not talking to each other, which makes no sense to him.
Denise stated that Pete had disc here once before and he said he couldn�t install them because there was no WIN ZIP program on the computer. Denise installed a sample packet of WIN ZIP on the computer and that�s where it sits.
Ted Schuurmans said that most computers have a Win Zip program on them.
Tom G. asked for any other input on the maps and sketches. Jan suggested get more standardized software packages so everyone can work the same. Tom G. thought maybe Greg Weyers could help solve put of it.
Lee S. said that most of the programs are state standard programs, they are there and basically everyone should be using the same programs.
Ted inquired If Pete is using them of using his own? Lee S. said he believes it top be some of each.
Denise thought that might be the problem. No other comments.
Liquor License
Denise presented a list of License for approval. The list of applications were published in the Oconto Reporter for two weeks. The new license would be active from July 1, 2007 thru June 30, 2008.
Tom inquire of the P B�s Corner Bar.
Denise replied that the Corner Bar was not published. Issues pertaining to the divorce of Tim and Karen Schmidt arouse that prompted assistance from the Department of Revenue in determining to whom the license could be issued. The town did not want to get in the middle of a divorce issue. Karen was given the license as part of the divorce settlement, Tim kept the property, later Tim felt it should stay with the property? Normally the license stays with the licensee (the person who applied for it), because Karen no longer lived in the township of Lakewood and did not own or lease property in the town of Lakewood, she is not entitled to the license. Karen could be approved for the license but not granted the license until she would have property here. Then the issue came up that she was going to sell the license, it is not legal to sell it. Denise stated that it had been done before by other individuals but it is not legal to do. This is something the town found out during the issue. Tim Schmidt was told he could apply for the license he wanted, not saying the board will grant it to him because he legally has property but he doesn�t have any building standing there anymore. That�s why it was not published in the paper, we felt that it should be stopped at that point.
Tom G. stated it could be issued if they apply with the rules. Tom G. asked if there were any problems with the license?
Tom H. and Lee S. replied No.
Lee S. made motion to approve the Liquor License for the applicants, second by Tom H., all ayes motion passed.
Chip Seal Bids
Postponed from last month to check on materials used by Fahrner Asphalt.
Turned they use the same chipped granite Scott uses. The bid from Fahrner was $1200.00 less. Tom G. checked with the road crew and they feel the job will be equally as good with Fahrner. The town has been dealing with Fahrner for years with crack sealing. The town didn�t like the pea gravel they were using before , now they are going to the crushed granite same as Scott. Tom asked if there were any problems with it?
Tom S made motion to except Fahrner�s Bid of $11736.45 for Chip Seal, second by Lee S., all ayes motion passed.
Insurance for Part-time Town Employees
Request was made for health insurance from a part time employee.
Tom G stated that it not be the towns policy to pay insurance for part time employees. The town did for Tom Messer, because he had been with the town for 15 years and he managed the Recycling Center all by himself.
Lee S. stated that he knows of no part time position that does provide insurance for part time employees.
Tom H. agreed that he knows of no one that does it and would like to get some figures and put it on next month�s agenda.
Lee S. said the town does not have a town policy, Jack has a separate policy, Fred has a separate policy, Josh has. All separate policies, no group policy for the town employees.
Tom G. said as far as Josh goes, he has no policy he has other arrangements made. Tom G. wants to get some figure and move it to next month.
Board, Clerk, Treasurer, Assessor Comments; Correspondence
A. North American Salt Contract price per ton $41.70/100 tons. Lee questioned how mush salt we use in a winter? Tom G. said in a normal winter we would use all of 100 ton. Tom G. said that this year we had left over, and if we have to much it doesn�t go to waste.
Motion made by Tom H. to approve the contract, second by Lee S, all ayes motion carried. Contract was signed.
B. Lakewood Fire Department Pumper
The Lakewood Fire Department had decided to go with the bid from Oshkosh Fire at $218,109.00. Denise presented three copies of the contract from Oshkosh Fire for signature, two of which need to be returned and one for the towns copy. Virginia was given the financial papers to complete. Tom G. asked the Fire Department that it was their decision to go with the bid.
Raoul Schottky stated it to be true. After reviewing all the specifications this is whom they chose. There was no specification as to who should sign the contract, Denise suggested the Board members to sign it.
Lee S. made motion to purchase the custom pumper from Oshkosh Fire and Police, Inc., second by Tom H., all ayes motion passed. Contract was signed.
Dave Szkowny said he gave Denise all of the Financial plans. Denise stated those to be the papers Virginia has.
Dave S. said they will need to know which plan the town decides to go with, four year, five year or six year.
Tom G. stated to find out the interest rates first. Dave stated the interest are specified with each plan. The board has not seen them yet.
Dave S. recommends the four year plan. Denise presented the options of the plans. Tom G. added the interest to be little less with the four year contract at 4.484%. Dave S. said the towns first payment would not be until one year after delivery of the pumper, the truck would not be here until nine months from now so the town won�t make payment until nine months after that.
Tom G. commented that to be the year 2009. The town payment would be fixed at $46,800.00.
Dave interrupted to say that once the chassis is delivered you have to sign out that payment plan. The payment plan also includes $50,000.00 donation from the Lakewood Firefighters Association as down payment.
Tom G. asked the board if they felt comfortable making decision on the rate with out research?
Tom H. & Lee S. replied yes. They have decided to go with the four year plan. Motion made by Tom H., second by Lee S., all ayes motion carried.
C. Wabeno Girls Basket Ball Team
Tom G. commented on The Girls Basketball team presenting the town a check for
$100.00. They had a Brat Fry and wanted to donate toward putting new roofs on the dug outs.
Public Comment:
Tom commented on the tornado. He said the people around the area really showed up to help out. There were so many volunteers that the Red Cross was turning them away. A lot of hour were put in. The guys with the chainsaws deserve a big pat on the back, they never let up. Everyone did an exceptional job.
Denise presented documents from Shallow Surveying to be signed, pertaining to Redinger Lane, it had been previously approved.
Denise also had a map sent to her from Mark Tuetenburg in reference to corners. He is in need of the map to be marked for all roads that are having work done to them this year. There was a letter sent out earlier this year that Denise wasn�t aware of, that was not completed and sent in. It was to let the County know in advance of the roads to be completed because of the survey corners. Tom G. will take care of it.
Lee S. made comment as to blacktopping of all new roads. He believes that the town should bring up the blacktopping of all new roads before the town excepts them. The surrounding townships all have that in their roads, before they except a road, they are blacktopped. This to be an item the town should be looking at. Lee S. would like that on the next agenda. Tom G. believes this to be correct it should be looked at.
Lee S. also made comment to the questions on the cost of blacktopping of Glenn Brook. He was wondering as to if anyone had checked with Ted or Mr. Sporie to see who�s responsibility it was. Lee S. felt that according to the contract it was theirs.
Tom G. stated that they had an engineer draw up specifications, but it never indicated that they would pay for it. No one else has never had to pay for roads to be black topped.
Lee S. stated if you read the contract it states them to pay for it. Tom G. disagreed, that it does not state so. Because of curb & gutter and sidewalk they wanted their own specifications on the black top and if we do a little dirt road in the country we do the specification on it.
Tom G. inquired to Tom H. if he read the contract, he also had shown the contract to Jack Bailey and he didn�t feel it spelled out that they would pay for it. Tom G. continued to state that if everyone is going to do it fine.
Lee S. stated that it not be everybody, it was an agreement that was made. If you go back and look at the purchase price, for the property that was the Flynn property and the Thomas property, the town originally had the purchase price or agreement at $20,000.00. There was $40.000.00 paid for the purchase of the Flynn property there was additional $20,000.00 for acquisition of the Thomas property for that road right a way. A total of $60,000.00.
Tom G. said just for the road right a way.
Lee S. went on to say the agreement drawn up was the town was responsible for extending Gage Street to the southern most part of Lakewood Development Corporation Property, which was just across the right away, that was it.
Tom G. added they, Lakewood Development Corporation developed the road after that, they put in sidewalk, sewer etc. Lee S. added it was their responsibility. Tom G. continued to say that it was not their responsibility,
Lee S. still disagreed.
Tom H. said he agrees to put this on the July agenda or a special meeting, to get the issue resolved, so we know exactly what�s going on. We could beat the dead horse for the next twelve months, It�s time to move on . Tom lives in a subdivision and the town paid for the blacktop, it�s always been that way as long as he has lived here. The town needs it in black and white.
Tom G. said he is not against having them pay for it.
Tom H. added he wasn�t either, but it�s done, why should they when no one else has had to.
Lee S. said it is in the contract.
Tom H. said he didn�t see that.
Ted Schuurmans asked if there was ever a written contract? Tom G. stated there to be a contract with specifying to what they (Lakewood Development Corporation) wanted.
Ted S. said you have to go back in memory about three years to remember. There was a lot of things said but was it ever put in writing to the town. The town pays for 22 feet, there is 33 feet, may be he should pay for the other 11 feet of it.
Tom G. said it to be the town never went through and built roads wider than that, this is something special.
Tom G. feels we shouldn�t single them out.
Ted S. doesn�t think that we are. Ted S. said that he has spoken to him personally, he feels what the Plan Commission has gone through, he was agreeing to pay for a lot of things. Ted thinks that we are confused about what he was offering to pay, he asked the town to pay for the Amoco Oil storage and the right of way from Thomas property. The could do it by ammonite domain what ever the towns cost was he was going to reimburse the town.
Tom G. said what he had to do was pay $150,000.00 for the old gas station. Ted S. stated it not to be the towns problem, actually that�s an income for him because he has two renters in the building. The town bought the right of way from him because we would buy it from anybody. Ted S. continued bys saying it is not what he said he was going to do.
Tom G. asked if he was going to donate the right of way?
Ted S. replied the he said, he would reimburse the town for what ever cost to get that right of way over to his property. Tom G. stated across the tracks?
Ted S. said across the tracks and there was a second agreement that the town would pay for putting in Gage Street up to and across the rec trail and that he was going to pay for everything else.
Tom G. agreed.
Ted S. said that�s not were talking about. He was going to pay for Glenn Brook and Gage Street up to the north line of the rec trail.
Tom G. stated and then that beyond that was the town�s responsibility from the rec trail to Hwy 32.
Lee S. said that is what he is talking about.
Ted S. thought that Lee S. was talking about the north line of the rec trail back over to here.
Jan Leibsch stated she was not at the last meeting, but she had gone over some of the old minutes, July 10, 2006, in there it says, a request was made to the town to look over the road standards submitted by Foth & VanDyke to the Lakewood Condo Project. In there it stated a lot of thing, her thinking is that the people promised to pay for it some how, because with all these things that were motioned and seconded, Don Bartels kept abstaining from all of the votes.
Tom G. added that any time anything had to do with his brother Don B. would abstain from vote.
Jan didn�t understand why he would do this, this lead her to believe they would pay for it.
Tom G. stated if they were going to pay for it he wouldn�t abstain. There was a lot of specifications in there, but it never came right out and said they would be willing to pay for it or they should pay for it. They built something a lot different than any of our town roads and that�s why they wanted an engineer draw up the specifications.
Jan inquired as to the long term maintenance, that they would pay for the ponds and facilities.
Tom G. added the ponds and facilities, being the condominiums.
Jan questioned if the town was going to be responsible for snow removal? Because the sidewalks are designed for bobcat like snow removal.
Tom G. replied No to the sidewalks, yes to the roads. We will not plow their sidewalks.
Betty Sellhausen asked how the town was going to go about changing this
Tom G. responded that the town would put in a new road ordinance program, We would set up new specifications and could do that at any time. Anything that is not already submitted to the town. Any thing that is already submitted to us and not completed, we could not go after them to pay for it. Anything that�s not started yet, we just tell them they have to provide any specification that we say.
Betty S. commented on the roads the town has already paid for .
Tom G. stated that the town paid for it all they put in a better road. They went above and beyond the towns standards, so why criticize them for that.
Betty S. replied, because of the cost.
Diane McNeil acknowledged Betty�s response.
Tom G. stated it will cost them more money, the town will take in more tax, when they have a couple of million dollars of buildings standing there.
Don Jackson questioned if next month, the town decided not to pay for the black topping of subdivisions, then all residents would be treated the same. In other words, if they start a new subdivision, they should wait in line to get theirs blacktopped.
Tom G. replied ,Yes, if the town would pass a new Road Ordinance next month or the month after, and there is no survey plot already submitted, they will pay for everything, as far as the blacktop goes.
Don J. was getting at the way it is now.
Tom G. said they could put in there that they have to black top the road before the town will except it.
Don J. understood that, and continued to say if you didn�t change it, then all the residents would be treated the same. If they started a new subdivision, they would have to wait in line for their black top. Asking Tom G. if he understood what he was saying?
Tom G. stated, Yes, he heard it. He felt for what they had done there, the town should take care of it. With the curb and gutter, you can�t be bouncing up the curb into your driveway.
Don J. stated he wasn�t talking about this stuff.
Tom G. stated him to be speaking of future, people getting their roads paved.
Raoul Schottky inquired to what was happening with the golf course subdivision?
Tom G. said that if it already excepted as town roads, eventually we will black top them. Questioning if Raoul was speaking of the one that�s where the hanger used to be.
Raoul responded yes.
Tom G. stated that the town probably won�t get to those until there are several houses back there. If we have already excepted the roads, and that is our policy when we excepted them, we can�t hardly go back out on that.
Diane M asked if there were minutes taken when the agreement was made or when the statement was set or was the tape recorder on, because there seems to be a difference in opinion as to what was said? When you ,make a contract, a contract is a contract, that�s the way it is.
Tom G. replied there should be minutes. In the contract they want certain things, and they don�t spell out if they will pay for it. If it were down in black and white, they would have to pay for it, period.
Diane M. responded as long as it was in writing.
Tom G. said, It was in writing , but obviously there wasn�t enough writing.
Diane M. continued to state it is a big issue.
Tom G, agreed, is was a big issue. The last twelve years the board has been together, the town has black topped almost all of the back roads. We have done more in ten or twelve years than they did the last forty and if we are going to change our policy, then let�s do it.
Diane M. asked if it was to be 22 feet, then that�s what they got, what makes the difference.
Tom G. replied, that if you would put in curb and gutter or more in your subdivision or any ones. We probably would have black topped it too. That is the town minimum standard, now 20 feet we are making them.
Diane M. asked if the town found the 40 acres at the golf course?
Tom G. replied, Yes, it is back in the tax roll.
Diane M. wanted to know what happened to all the years it was not on the tax roll? Are we able to collect on that? Does the town get reimbursed?
Tom G. believes it was lost in the reevaluation. Prior to that it was his understanding it was on the tax roll.
Diane M. asked how long ago?
Tom G. replied it to be two years ago when R & R came in and we had to do the whole town all over. That is where the mistake came in. He is not sure who caught it. He thought Pete caught it and it was corrected.
Diane M. questioned it to be lost before two years ago?
Tom G. said he did not think so, but he would find out for sure.
Ted S. questioned it to be lost in the later part of the Seventy�s?
Lee S. said, he believed it was lost in around 1985. In 1986, Oconto County changed from the old system to a new numbering system. Where parcels received a 019, the present numbers that are there. That occurred in 1986, you go back in check the plat books, acreage is there in 1985 and 1986 it is very hard to follow, because the numbers do not necessarily correspond to the old parcels. Lee�s interpretation of that is, when parcel numbers were put down, they are put down with a number, when there�s a subdivision off of that parcel, it is that number with an A after it or a B after it, depending on how many parcels are subdivided from that. In 1986 the parcel number is listed with an A after it. There is no original parcel number. So somewhere that parcel got deleted, possibly. This is just a theory. That property has probably been missing since the earlier time. It was probably rediscovered with the reevaluation because now you have GPS Plotting, you have better map systems, everything has been updated. Back in the �old days� they didn�t have any mapping or anything north of Suring hill. All of this stuff is trying to be put into computers, mistakes have been made, property has been missed. You still have property out there, that is missed. A lot of it occurs where there is a parcel of property that has a road running through it. A lot of time the Assessor will go out, looks at the property, doesn�t find the stakes, the property ends at the road. You may have an outlying parcel on the other side of the road that has never been picked up. It may occur also where there is a rivers flowing through and there is property that cross that river. Mistakes are still out there, as to when it happened, I don�t know, we don�t know. As to say it happened with the reevaluation, we can�t say that. All that can be said is it wasn�t there, it�s been corrected, they are paying the taxes on it.
Diane M. asked where the property was located?
Lee S. stated, there was three different parcels on it. Those three 40 acres where divided between three other 40 acres on the golf course. Parts of it were on an area that fronts County F, part was where the airplane landing strip used to be, another part he believed was in the subdivision where Tom H. lives. Acreage was missing, they found it, its been located and that is all that can be said.
Jan L. asked if it was all in one lump?
Lee S. replied, No, he believed it was two 14 acre parcels and a 7 acre parcel?
Jan L. asked if they be required to pay back taxes?
Lee S. replied he didn�t know. He is not an Assessor.
Tom G. stated that there was probably taxes on it, but the acreage was wrong on the tax deeds. There was taxes on his property, but the acreage was not recorded properly.
Whether they were paying their full taxes or not, Tom G. did not know. The point is the problem has been corrected and the town didn�t know when it started. Tom G. thought it started on the reevaluation.
Lee S. stated, that like anything else there probably is a statute of limitations, we�d have to check state law.
Jan L. stated Virginia to be so left out, and asked her what the miscellaneous items on the Treasurer Report were for?
Virginia N. stated that she thought they were so minor she didn�t read it, $1,413.00 went to unemployment, $90.00 went to legal, $250.00 went to Planning commission and the other were little miscellaneous.
Jan L. asked if they were going to get minutes from the last meeting?
Denise apologized, she forgot to make extra copies for the meeting. Virginia made some copies.
Ted S. inquired as to what happened with the issues between Peter and Virginia?
Tom G. stated, It to be a simple communication problem.
Virginia said that he still has not given her any of the Green Sheet he was talking about. What are the Green Sheets?
Tom G. said he did not know.
Virginia said, He wanted people to get reimbursed from the taxes the year before for a garage that wasn�t there?
Tom G. thought that wasn�t the issue.
Virginia said, it was all over that.
Ted S stated, it to be a name calling issue.
Virginia and Tom G. agreed with him.
Virginia said, Lee S. was working on some of it.
Ted S. inquired as to if Tom G. talked to the D.O.T. on the parking issues on Hwy 32?
Tom G. had talked to them and the D.O.T. was reluctant to do anything. The only dispute he would say there is, having to know which side of Tebo�s driveway the sign should go on. When he talked to them, they said the town would have to buy the parking places back for $3200.00. When we did the highway, the town agreed to set back from the corners for visual clearance and there is some dispute as to where they put the signs. Did they put them to far back or did they put them where we agreed to put them. When I called the D.O.T. and asked them to come out, they said if we want the parking spaces back we will have to buy them. That�s exactly what they said.
Ted S. stated that the issue was the Plan Commission made a recommendation to the Town Board. The Town Board reviewed that recommendation and excepted that recommendation. In that recommendation the sign was on the east side of Tebo�s driveway. In other words it was set back about three cars.
Tom G. stated it was put in the wrong place to start with.
Ted S, said the first time it was put in the wrong place. Then it was put back where it was suppose to be. Then somebody had taken down. Then the D.O.T. called the County said put the sign back up where we said to put it. Then they put it back up. Firelite also took the sign down and they put that one back up.
Tom G. stated that the town really has no jurisdiction over that, all we can do is make a request. He has not talked to them since then.
Betty S. asked if there was any more info on the parade route.
Tom G. stated, Yes, the route will be the same. Denise submitted a written route with all the little details spelled out, where there will be policemen, the parade route will be right down the highway just like it was before.
Betty S. inquired as to where the detour will be?
Tom G. said it would start in Townsend, Hwy 32 to County T to Hwy 64 back to Hwy 32.
Denise added allowing traffic to come back south to Twin Pines Road to Emily Lane to County Road F, which would allow people back to Lakewood.
Tom G. also added they would have police officers at the intersections asking people where they want to go. If they want to get to County F from the south they will let them through, if they what to get to Archibald Lake from the North they can go through. It�s just the ones that might want to get down town that are not going to be able to go there. They will either have to wait or go around. The detour is mainly for people going home, they will have to make that extra tem miles.
Jan L. asked if the parade will ever be put on County F?
Tom G. said with the parade going almost to Citgo, we could probably find enough streets to get it done that way and put the parade down here, but people like it where it is. It�s been there for 35 years or more. The police don�t like it either they don�t block off to many State Highways. Tom G. has spoken to the Sheriff�s Department about it and they are okay with it. They know it is a big deal in Lakewood and they are willing to provide up to five police for it also. They had no argument about it.
Denise had a request from the Bay Lake Regional Planning Commission. They are asking for information on any projects we have done since last year and if we have any going on for the next three years. It is a survey to fill out.
Tom G. said to we should submit it to the Plan Commission first.
Diane M. asked if the town was going to pay for the roads at Glen Brook or not? Do you take a vote, do we need to vote or not? How do we know how------
Tom G. thinks that we should pay for it.
Diane M. replied, that he decides what happens?
Tom G .said, No, there are three votes here. We have a contract with North East Asphalt to pay for the black topping that they�ve done.
Diane M. states, she understands that we would have to pay, but she�s not sure that they would have to pay. Who ever is responsible, are they reimbursing what was paid for?
Tom G. said there is an argument there, whether one way or the other, we could, to settle it, have the Town Board make that decision. Whether we want to be reimbursed for part of the project or not. Tom doesn�t believe the town should. He thinks some of it to be petty jealously. They put plenty of money into the Project and we agreed to--
Diane M. said that they are going to make money.
Tom G. said, absolutely, you don�t invest----
Diane M. said why aren�t you worried about that?
Tom G. stated, his point is that--
Diane M. interrupted again and said there is 11 feet they should definitely have to pay for. If they went 33 feet. That 11 feet they should be responsible for don�t you think?
Tom G. said he didn�t think so, He thinks we pay for town roads.
Diane M. response was not heard.
Tom asked her to repeat, she did not.
Raoul S. asked about another area, if the town paid for it?
Tom replied the town to pay for the parking area just in town. They pay for a 24 foot road bed. If the board wants to make decision on it, that�s fine. Ask them for reimbursement for part of it.
Ted S. adds he thinks we should look back at the minutes. He doesn�t remember the issue real well. He doesn�t know if it is in the Plan Commission Minutes, Town Board Minutes or how far back. He thought maybe three years.
Tom G, thought that they made an effort to get this project done and also they an effort to buy the property from Flynn�s and to obtain the right away.
Diane M. stated that not be our problem.
Tom G. added that we cooperate with other people and didn�t know why we shouldn�t with them.
Diane M. said that�s what she is saying, there needs to be a change. This all comes from our taxes.
Tom G. said we could change it, we could do it next month if you want to. This a drop in the bucket for what we spent fixing up roads over the years.
Robert Landwher asked what was being done about the land for the Fire Department?
Tom G said the Fire Department was still working on it.
Raoul S. confirmed that they were still working on it. Marilyn being in the hospital, she is working on as she can. She has to get it surveyed and get an estimated for what it is worth. That�s has far as it is.
Vouchers:
Motion was made by Tom H. to approve, seconded by Lee, all ayes motion carried.
Virginia made comment on the benefit for Marilyn, she has no health insurance at all, is being held on July 14, 2007 at Lakewood Pavilion, from 1:00 to 6:00. She hopes the town come out show her how much we all appreciate, support and care about her. They are having raffles, bake sale etc.
Motion to adjourn by Lee, seconded by Tom H., all ayes motion carried, adjourned at 9:30 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted,
Denise A. Jackett, Clerk
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